SubQ vs IM Injections for Deca

[Liftcore]

I plan to start a deca cycle of about 900mg per week with either TRT dose Test or no Test at all, but I am still a little uncomfortable with the idea of IM injections, although I am alright with SubQ injections at this point. If I were to administer 150mg Deca AKA 0.5mL of oily substance SubQ, every day 6 days a week (bringing me to 900mg per week)for the first couple of weeks or so (just until I get more confident with putting needles in my body) would this be more or less equivocal to doing 1mL IM shots 3x a week?

My only experience with injecting at the moment is SubQ administration of Mt2 2-3x a week, and I'm the sort of person that gets a little uneasy at this sort of thing.

[BIGDADDY]

I plan to start a deca cycle of about 900mg per week with either TRT dose Test or no Test at all, but I am still a little uncomfortable with the idea of IM injections, although I am alright with SubQ injections at this point. If I were to administer 150mg Deca AKA 0.5mL of oily substance SubQ, every day 6 days a week (bringing me to 900mg per week)for the first couple of weeks or so (just until I get more confident with putting needles in my body) would this be more or less equivocal to doing 1mL IM shots 3x a week?

My only experience with injecting at the moment is SubQ administration of Mt2 2-3x a week, and I'm the sort of person that gets a little uneasy at this sort of thing.

Several things are wrong... just wrong...

1) 900mg of deca and TRT dose test or no test at all = NO SEX... NO ERECTION.... BIG ISSUES

2) DO NOT INJECT OILS SUBQ!!!! You'll have more serious issues to deal with than having no sex or erections. Oils are intended to be injected DEEP into the MUSCLE.... not into some fat on your stomach! You'll get massive swellings and infections if you decide to do this!

Grow some balls and inject in your arse! It's simple and it doesn't hurt!

[Liftcore]

Several things are wrong... just wrong...

1) 900mg of deca and TRT dose test or no test at all = NO SEX... NO ERECTION.... BIG ISSUES

2) DO NOT INJECT OILS SUBQ!!!! You'll have more serious issues to deal with than having no sex or erections. Oils are intended to be injected DEEP into the MUSCLE.... not into some fat on your stomach! You'll get massive swellings and infections if you decide to do this!

Grow some balls and inject in your arse! It's simple and it doesn't hurt!


Deca dick seems to only happen to people that DO use testosterone with their deca from the massive amounts of reading I've done this past week, something to do with imbalances in terms of estrogen along with the prolactin issues that inevitably come with deca (being 19-nor). Introducing more testosterone would only increase estrogen levels and although AI could be introduced, still good chance that the problem won't subside. I have read cases on certain forums, as well as some close friends of mine doing 1-2g deca solo or deca+tbol that are experiencing 0 sexual dysfunction. I do firmly believe that if I have 0 testosterone, adex on hand *in case*, maybe caber and Cialis on hand, I should be able to counteract any issues that arise. I will accept any justification and information you can provide in terms of the topic of deca dick but at the moment I am fairly set on my method. I guess I will find out when I jump on exactly how I respond, as goes for most people with any compounds really.

In terms of injecting oils subq it isn't a totally unheard of practice. A lot of doctors prefer this method for TRT. Yes I am aware about things like lumps forming or the oil clotting but this seems to happen with amounts around 1mL and injecting too fast. I will be doing 0.5mL warm, which shouldn't lead to issues (again, I am familiar with people who do this with test/deca and have not experienced negatives). What I mostly wanted to know if there would be any significant difference in terms of how I span out my deca (I'm thinking not, but i still don't have a full understanding on how different esters work and such) since naturally to hit 900mg one would pin 3x a week 1mL, but if I were to go subq I would do half as much each time but pin 2x more frequently. I'm sure it shouldn't have an impact in the long run though?

[BIGDADDY]

Maybe you are right about the deca dick... but I'm not a doctor and I've never done something like this... so I don't advise otherwise.

Seriously man... don't do sub-q oil injections... You will regret! if you have enough fat in your gut to inject 900mg of deca ... you are simply too fat to start with!

Sub-q is slow injections.... look at it this way... I injected into my shoulder before where the oil leaked out of the muscle or whatever and down my arm... my arm was swollen and red for the entire week!

Don't be a pussy.. and inject into your arse already... I won't recommend the practice of INTRA-MUSCULAR injections done into your stomach fat!!! any doctor who does TRT injections of sustanon or whatever into your stomach fat is a dumb arse retard. It even says on the pamphlet that comes with Organan products... INTENDED FOR INTRAMUSCULAR USE ONLY!

[Liftcore]

Maybe you are right about the deca dick... but I'm not a doctor and I've never done something like this... so I don't advise otherwise.

Seriously man... don't do sub-q oil injections... You will regret! if you have enough fat in your gut to inject 900mg of deca ... you are simply too fat to start with!

Sub-q is slow injections.... look at it this way... I injected into my shoulder before where the oil leaked out of the muscle or whatever and down my arm... my arm was swollen and red for the entire week!

Don't be a pussy.. and inject into your arse already... I won't recommend the practice of INTRA-MUSCULAR injections done into your stomach fat!!! any doctor who does TRT injections of sustanon or whatever into your stomach fat is a dumb arse retard. It even says on the pamphlet that comes with Organan products... INTENDED FOR INTRAMUSCULAR USE ONLY!

Yeah you make a good point. Who knows maybe by the time my stuff arrives I'll be more comfortable with IM injection. IF I were to do subq I wouldn't do it forever, because FUCK pinning every day when I'm only taking one compound, and eventually when I introduce more compounds that may be harsher than teca (such as tren for when I cut) it may cause issues. The thing I am worried about is hitting a nerve and that's it, since I'm a littler squeamish about blood spraying and unfortunately even though I know in my mind its OK and I know that it stops quickly, the sight of it and the idea of a needle hitting a nerve just freaks me out a little. I guess I just need to get over it and if it happens I will just need to suck it up lmao.
I still think subq SHOULD be OK though.

"T levels were well within the therapeutic range varying from 320-824 ng/dL (mean 608± 82SE). No adverse reactions at the site of injection or otherwise were reported or observed. The injections were easily self-administered except for one patient who was blind. Initial data from our study are promising regarding the SC administration of T. SC T was well tolerated and produced therapeutic serum concentrations at doses generally lower than required for IM injections. These data will provide a foundation for additional studies of pharmacokinetics, efficacy and safety to hopefully characterize SC T as a safe, convenient, and affordable alternative to IM injections."

Just an excerpt from one of the studies I read regarding subq testosterone, just as a reference to show that I'm not totally pulling this whole subq thing out of my ass. Remember, it would only be 50iu's of substance per day in different spots around my gut!

[BIGDADDY]

Just inject in your bum... and I mean the RIGHT spot of your bum... you'll NOT hit a nerve there.

I've done ED injections for YEARS.... NEVER ONCE HAVE I HIT A NERVE... INCLUDING INJECTING INTO MY TRICEPS! NEVER ONCE.

[finacat]

OP

please listen to mr big

subq like this with oil will cause big problems

the injcet site will swell and look awful, .5ml 6x a week i cant even imagine in a week you will be thinking wtf am i doing

it will also take a while to disapate the absorption will be fucked and you will cause a build up of scar tissue (yes it is acctuly more liky with sub q then IM)
diabetics have a shit ton of scar tissue

i just cant even imagine

deca dick only happens to people who run test? haha first i heard that, some people seem to be able to run deca without test others cannot (most cant)
but that you can find out for yourself

the first pin sucks, i hate needles more than anyone i can barly stomach a flu shot
you get used to it, lay down on ur bed stomach down find ur ass find the upper right quadrant of your ass make sure its relaxed and do what needs to be done

whatch some videos educate on the spot (i flex m glute and see the muscle flex in upper right quandrant this is where i pin nowadays, quads work too but ass is always best)

first pin sucks not going to lie awful experience for me at least, but by 2nd is already better and by 3rd you think ur a pro

no offense but if your not willing to IM you have no business running gear and 900 deca first time using? haha holy shit

good luck

[finacat]

yes there are studies the testosterone subq is for TRT PURPOSE ONLY

the oil itself takes a while to dissapate and because its only trt it works, kinda

we are bodybuilders this is a waste of time and you will have no room very very quickly

the lumps are uncofrtable and you will have large ones you will end up putting more oil in oil it just doesnt work

you can do it for about 3 days and you will relise how stupid it is

[finacat]

Maybe you are right about the deca dick... but I'm not a doctor and I've never done something like this... so I don't advise otherwise.

Seriously man... don't do sub-q oil injections... You will regret! if you have enough fat in your gut to inject 900mg of deca ... you are simply too fat to start with!

Sub-q is slow injections.... look at it this way... I injected into my shoulder before where the oil leaked out of the muscle or whatever and down my arm... my arm was swollen and red for the entire week!

Don't be a pussy.. and inject into your arse already... I won't recommend the practice of INTRA-MUSCULAR injections done into your stomach fat!!! any doctor who does TRT injections of sustanon or whatever into your stomach fat is a dumb arse retard. It even says on the pamphlet that comes with Organan products... INTENDED FOR INTRAMUSCULAR USE ONLY!

lmao at the bold hahahahaha

i was thinking the same thing

1 day of peptides at like 3-4iu per shot (3 shots) has my stomach looking lummpy

3-4 iu not 50iu haha oh boy

[Powertard]

Yes while you are correct you can inject AAS sub q it is ONLY intendes for 0.5-0.75 ml a week MAX! I have used 0.5 ml Bayer Testoviron depot sub q ob a cruise a week at never got swelling, pain or aney issues (i injected with a slin pin 45 degrees into.stomach fat 0.5 ml SLOWLY about 45 seconds) and it worked well!

0.5 ml ED? No. Youll get issues. You will run out of fat to put it in a week.or a little more and you will e sore swolen and red. Horrible.

Just use a 25 g pin and inject.in ur glutes or vastus lateralis.

Hell ur lucky! Only pins I couls get wwre 1.5 inch 18 g for a few weeks.... That hurt like FauacK. A 25 g pin os nothig you dot even fel.it.mate

[Liftcore]

Thank you everyone for the replies. Over the past day I've been doing more reading on IM injections, and I now feel more confident to attempt them when the time comes, so I'll ditch the subQ for oil's and leave it for the peptides lol.

[kalliste73]

Liftcore,
i studied this practice in the past, i do not have problem to inject IM but i do not like it, anyway i do it.
what you wrote is right, is possible to inject SQ yout TEST (or other AAS) in small doses so it's good for TRT purpose.
Anyway i also wrote injecting SQ your TEST will cause Oestrogens to grow more and more respect to inject it IM.
please consider this too.

My advise is to use a bigger gauge needle (smaller needle) and inject your AAS in other places then your ass wich requires a 23G
i use a 25G for deltoids and calves for example and i can ssure you it's absolutly painless and faster then injecting with a 23G in the ass.
Just you can inject less oils, i usually do 0.5ml for each delt :)
Hope it helps,
cheers!

[finacat]

lol inject my hcg IM

everything IM ! ;)

[Powertard]

Phew!

Glad you are not doing that Sub q idea

I wanted to call you an absolute idiot for even considering it but I thought that wasn't diplomatic lol!

[Liftcore]

Phew!

Glad you are not doing that Sub q idea

I wanted to call you an absolute idiot for even considering it but I thought that wasn't diplomatic lol!

I just considered it because I knew of people who have success doing it in high doses and that I have experience with subq already. Thought if there was any chance it could work I may as well avoid the stress of getting acquainted with IM but to hell with it, I'll do it like everyone else and learn IM. I would have had to learn IM when I started adding more compounds anyway, may as well start now.

[kalliste73]

i do not like to use and when i did, it was IM too :)


lol inject my hcg IM

everything IM ! ;)

[Powertard]

I.M doesn't even hurt providing you use a reasonable sized pin and you pin correctly! :) I'd rather chose the discomfort of 30s or so of the oil going into my muscles and feeling it stretch etc than have red swollen lumps... I have done shitty ugl test sub q ad it was HORRIBLE!! It started burning so badly I just wanted to scream.. Touching it made.me want.to scream. I had a bog frimin red boil looking think on my stomach which was uber sensitive. As I said on cruise I use pharm test enth 0.5 ml a week sub q to give muscles a rest prevent scar tiasue etc and it always works amazing, no.swelling.or pain but doing.mls a day multiple x a week is a.bad idea

[Liftcore]

I.M doesn't even hurt providing you use a reasonable sized pin and you pin correctly! :) I'd rather chose the discomfort of 30s or so of the oil going into my muscles and feeling it stretch etc than have red swollen lumps... I have done shitty ugl test sub q ad it was HORRIBLE!! It started burning so badly I just wanted to scream.. Touching it made.me want.to scream. I had a bog frimin red boil looking think on my stomach which was uber sensitive. As I said on cruise I use pharm test enth 0.5 ml a week sub q to give muscles a rest prevent scar tiasue etc and it always works amazing, no.swelling.or pain but doing.mls a day multiple x a week is a.bad idea

Well... that doesn't sound like a pleasant experience at all lol if I wasn't put off subq before I sure as hell am now.

[SMonMTS]

^ when you've had some gear leak out of the muscle under the skin you sure don't want to put it intentionally there lol ... Hurts like fuck

[grotereber]

subq oil injection! You will only do it once, I guarantee that, since something will go wrong. Can't believe there are doctors that advocate such a thing!

[Powertard]

Its okay for trt, as in literally 0.5 ml sustanon etc once a week

Pharm is lower dosed.per.ml because.of lower bb and.no ba.. So.u get.little/no pain
it keeps blood.levela more stable and less aromatase activity too

I do it with PHARM test.. 0.5 ml primotestin or cypionmax for example a week works well no.pain no.lumbs.no swelling

[Powertard]

Never ever do that with shit quality ugl test
I uses I think it waa guerilla test enth i got for free.. Did 0.5 ml (150 mg) sub q and 10 s after.it just burned and hurt ao bad I got tears.in.my eyes. It went red like red rash all over my stomach and.ext say it was a LUMP the size of a grape all red puffy inflamed permenently stinging pajnful sore as hell. Touching.it made me want.to acream. Imy shirt would rub.on it and Id just be in a lot of.pain... Couldbt wear.my weightlifting belt dor 10 daya

took like 12 daya to.go

[tunechi]

Intra-muscular is the only way to go. Just pin into your ass.