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OsloFit
02-17-2025, 12:00 AM
Planning my second cycle and the raw ban is making it complicated. Some compounds seem fine, others seem genuinely gone. Test E and Deca seem available everywhere still. Mast-E seems to be confirmed limited at most places. Primo is around but prices have jumped. MENT seems nearly impossible. What is your honest assessment of what is actually unavailable vs just more expensive? And for guys who switched to substitutes - Mast Prop instead of Mast-E, EQ instead of Primo - was the switch worth it or did you miss the original compound?

HighAltitude
02-21-2025, 12:00 AM
Useful thread for planning. For a second cycle I was looking at adding Primo but the price increase makes it hard to justify. The core compounds being unaffected is reassuring - Test E and Deca are what I was planning anyway. The Mast-E news is disappointing because I had it on the list for a future cycle. Mast Prop as a substitute makes sense functionally - same effect, more frequent injections. Good to know before planning around something that may not be available.

MunichMarc
02-22-2025, 12:00 AM
The raw ban situation is very clear from Germany. Primo prices have increased significantly and availability is less reliable than it was 18 months ago. Mast-E I have not been able to find anywhere credible for the last 6 months. Test E, Deca, NPP all still readily available with no price change. The compounds that were already niche or required specialist raw materials are the ones affected. Planning cycles around what is reliably available rather than what was available in 2022 is the practical adaptation.

Davo
02-23-2025, 12:00 AM
Mast-E being confirmed gone is the one that stings most. Had to switch to Mast Prop on my last cycle. More frequent injections but the effect is identical, same hardening and anti-estrogenic contribution. MENT I have not been able to get anywhere reliable in 2026. Primo still available but at the new prices I am running half the dose I used to. The core compounds are fine. Test E, Deca, NPP all still well stocked. It is the specialist compounds where the raw ban has actually bitten. Running simpler stacks now and accepting that the pre-2024 access window was unusually good.

FLbodybuilder
02-24-2025, 12:00 AM
The raw ban hit specialist compounds hard and the core compounds barely at all. That is the accurate picture. Mast-E gone from most places, confirmed by MTS directly. MENT effectively unavailable. Primo still out there but significantly more expensive. Test E, Deca, NPP, Test C - all still well-stocked everywhere. For guys running straightforward test-based cycles the ban has changed almost nothing. For advanced guys who had primo or MENT in every cycle it has forced substitutions. Adapting rather than complaining is the right attitude.