hello everyone my ,first post here and going to do my first cycle,im thinking of doing test cyp and tran A at 1 mil every other day, as my mate thinks that what i should do ,hes been doing this for years and he thinks i should start off like this ,
i would be greatful for any help and info
Not sure about everyone else but for someone just starting out, I'm a fan of adding one compound at a time. I believe in blast and cruise and not coming off though, so I'd start with the Test Cyp for a decent amount of time while experiementing with varying doses to see how sensitive to estrogen you are and assess other side effects. Only when I'm certain that I know what it does to my body, then I'd add the Tren Ace in, repeating the same process and assessing any potential sides. And the same goes for any and every other new compound I introduce into my body.
Yes, I know it takes a lot of time this way and some will suggest just diving into it and stacking multiple compounds together, but I'd rather play it safe. This way, if anything goes wrong, you know for sure what compound is doing it and you can narrow your solutions down, rather than having to struggle guessing whether your gyno is estrogen or prolactin induced, where if you apply the wrong remedy it'll just waste time and probably make things worse.
This way, you'd also know what ratios/doses work for you best. For example, I know I don't respond well to high amounts of Test even with GH in the blood; I grow, yes, but I don't bloat and have a puffy face and grow even faster when I cut the Test to a quarter and use a large dose of deca instead. Likewise, I look my best and feel (physically and mentally) the best on low Test and high Tren combos, yet I know people who go mental with these ratios (because of Tren sides) and they respond better to high Test and low Tren (which I look and feel like complete shit on).
And adding on to the part on knowing how sensitive you are to estrogen, going solo on Test and playing around with the doses for awhile allows you to know when you need to add an AI, or if you even need one at all. There are people that get gyno and other sides from just 500mg of test, and there are also people who can go up to 1g or even 1.5g without any AIs and be just fine. Like you said, your friend has been doing it for years so he knows his body well and he knows what he can and cannot tolerate. You don't (yet), so why not be patient and figure out things for yourself, since hormonal response is so individualistic and this is a marathon not a sprint anyway.
Last edited by Xero; 09-22-2015 at 08:35 PM.
Xero thank you for imput , i think you right i going to start on only test cyp for abit and see how it goes , i will start on 1 ml and see if there any sides ,and see what doses are what and make sure im ok ,
Good luck, brother! If you don't mind everyday injections or whatever, I'd even go as far as to start with shorter esters (I used to do that even in the off-season but I'm stuck with long esters which I hate for the next 2 years because of army/conscription and schedule issues), especially when it comes to harsher compounds like Tren. That way, if anything happens, you can pull it out and the sides go away fast rather than if you use a longer ester and it takes days or even weeks before anything bad goes away. Learn how you react to the short ester versions of the compound and know it well first, before you start using long estered versions. Just my two cents though, some will say it's too much trouble but I just like to be cautious.Originally Posted by Owl
Cheers!
What is your goal?
Build solid mass/foundation?
Shred fat, get hard and lean?
1ml would be a bit low, I would recommend 2ml per week as a start my friend.
hi my mate says 1ml every other day
hi build solid mass and get bigger , im bigish now as train everyday ,
xero thank you, i will take what you said and see what happens , i will see how i react and take my time
1ml every other day is 600mg to 800mg a week. Seems to lean towards the high side for a first cycle IMO but to each his own. I'd keep an AI on hand though, just in case you're super sensitive to estrogen and you start developing gyno or something, you can use it immediately and make it go away rather than to place an order and wait where the wait time might cause things to get worse.
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