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    Is my logic correct for this cycle?

    I plan to blast deca @ 900mg p/wk solo for about 12-16 weeks or so as the main part of my bulk cycle. Now, I understand that it takes quite long for deca to clear the system, so I was thinking that I cut off deca after 12-16 weeks, and after a week or so after my last deca pin, I add NPP for about 1 month @ 300-600mg PW until deca clears system, and then cut NPP, and seeing as NPP clears a lot quicker there will be less total time where I will have minimal exogenous hormones as well as minimal endogenous hormones in my body.

    Point 1: Please don't advise me to run test. I am intentionally avoiding testosterone for this cycle as I have valid reason to believe it will do more bad than good.
    Point 2: I still haven't decided whether I will come off completely and stay off until my cut OR if I will cruise on something low dose and then blast again for my cut. This depends on how I feel I handle AAS in general, as well as financial standpoint (as this is the first time I am ever running gear).

    Please give justification for any suggestions made, whether it be anecdotal or empirical.

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    Best you provide some stats first.

    - BF%
    - weight
    - height
    - diet
    - etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR BIG View Post
    Best you provide some stats first.

    - BF%
    - weight
    - height
    - diet
    - etc....
    Height: 5'11''
    Weight: 78kg
    Current Diet: 2000kcal 180/P 56/F 195/C - Cutting
    Intended Diet: (STARTING OUT)4000kcal 200-230/P 80-100/F Remainder/C (subject to change, likely increase) - Bulking
    Diet generally consists of anything really, but I always make sure to get in a proper amount of fruits/greens/lots of meats (mostly beef because cheap), whey when needed. When I bulk, this will remain as base diet but I'm more than likely going to have to include more high calorie low satiety foods.
    I'm also taking an extremely comprehensive amount of dietary supplements. High quality Multivitamin, Beef Gelatin Powder, Green Tea Extract,C od Liver Oil, Garlic Oil, Taurine, Chromium, Selenium, Magnesium Citrate, Vit C, Zinc Picolinate, P-5-P, Potassium, Iodine, Niacinimide, Molybdenum, Vitamin K-2, Boron, MSM Powder. All for health/wellbeing+digestion.

    BF%: I'm unsure, I think I stand at around 14% I'll try to link/attach a pic of me currently for reference. I don't want to cut anymore at this point I've been doing it for a while now and I can't afford to lower my calories anymore without feeling like absolute shit all the time. I plan to bulk big but bulk lean on this cycle, either come off or cruise if I can, and then cut enhanced again and then take it from there.
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    Last edited by Liftcore; 02-12-2015 at 02:36 PM.

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    You are less to 14% for me. I would keep ONLY a TRT dose of test (150mg e3d of test E). About NPP, you can do a base of half life of your cycle using steroidplot.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by 41154135 View Post
    You are less to 14% for me. I would keep ONLY a TRT dose of test (150mg e3d of test E). About NPP, you can do a base of half life of your cycle using steroidplot.com
    I hold a lot of fat in my ass and legs lmao don't let that pic fool you.

    As for the test, I will introduce test only when/if all my other options for managing side effects have been exhausted. I will have a large array of OTC supplements on quite particular doses which should give me an initial advantage over side effects, along with having Arimidex, Liquid Cialis and Caber and *maybe* HCG on hand. I'll add in test IF I go through all of these measures and I am still getting sides (the one I am critical of is "deca dick", since I shouldn't experience too many issues regarding gyno, hairloss acne etc due to lack of test).

    Cheers for that website, it is quite helpful in determining how I plan out my compounds.

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    There's really no reason to be scared of test before you've even tried it. Also going straight to 900mg at 78 kg is a good way to experience sides, so I would recommend ramping up slowly. I also think you should blast longer than 12-16 weeks, especially since you are on deca and also because I recommend tapering up or at least not going 900 off the bat

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMonMTS View Post
    There's really no reason to be scared of test before you've even tried it. Also going straight to 900mg at 78 kg is a good way to experience sides, so I would recommend ramping up slowly. I also think you should blast longer than 12-16 weeks, especially since you are on deca and also because I recommend tapering up or at least not going 900 off the bat
    Not so much "scared of it" as much as I don't feel it is necessary for me currently based on the information I've gathered. I know it is conventional to always include test but I have read a lot of success stories with testless cycles, as well as being close with quite a few people that are either running deca solo or running other combos with no test. A lot of these guys favour testless cycles over high test and even TRT level test. I'll use it at a TRT dosage if I feel I absolutely need to but for the time being I think I'm going to leave it out. I will definitely use test if I A. Decide to cruise before I cut and B. When I decide to cut and plan to use slightly harsher AAS such as tren A.

    I agree with your point on ramping up, I was actually contemplating that today, so what I might do is start off at 600 for about 3-5 weeks or so (this should be enough time to be reaching good concentration levels) and then I will increase to 750, and then to 900? My initial plan was 20 weeks deca so maybe I will end up sticking with that since I intend to ramp up.

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    Looks good to me dude, Deca solo is where its at

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    Bro, if you really decide to run this without Test I think it's still a good idea to keep some Prop on hand or something. I'm a huge fan of low to no Test cycles; gives me the driest and craziest look. But at the same time, zero Test past the 2 month mark makes me feel really messed up with the lethargy and mood and stuff like that. You never know how you respond as an individual and some might be able to get away with it but seeing as you're gonna run this for 16 weeks, which is quite a long time, maybe just keep some on hand just in case it starts to mess with your head and you can just run a TRT dose to feel better if it happens.

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    Im getting ready to run deca solo as well soon

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