As a first cycle would throwing tren in my mix around week 8 for 6-8 weeks be considered overdoing it, I'm running test p and eq , just at the middle of my 4th week. Physically I feel more solid , endurance through the roof, sex drive way up, and not to mention my appetite . Very noticeable difference. working on a build I can take to a stage and compete physique within the next year or two . Depending on my progress . Any feedback would be great!