I know both these guys not personally but have seen them compete. I judged Scott at the Nationals in OZ way back in 2007 and he came in 3rd in the heavies I think. He was great and willing to take advice from me as I let him know what he needed to improve on. Hence from then on he went on to win a few major show. I stopped competing in 2006 after 3 r/up spots at a national level. But 10 years on keen to get back into the ring so to speak.