Thread: Comeback 2016

Originally Posted by MR BIG

I know people will say no... don't use it, lose the fat through diet and cardio first blah blah. I did it. Of course it will be more difficult to cope, but it's sure going to get results. My theory is that if something takes a long time to achieve results... say you are trying to go from 25% to 15% before you start your hormones... as you get closer to that target, your general motivation levels and interests levels fade away, because the results are not obvious or "instant" enough for you to keep caring. You don't feel the urge to achieve that goal. A little cheat here and there... and your progress stalls and you lose more motivation and you end up in a situation where you didn't even start your hormones and moved onto something else like beer.

I would honestly do low dose test + high tren. I've seen transformations in front of my eyes with guys doing virtually no cardio and losing slabs of fat on a weekly basis. But of course they had high muscle mass and metabolic rate etc.

If you are going to be leaning down for a long time pick tren e so you don't have to jab yourself ED/EOD, take it nice and cruisy and tren is very potent don't forget, you don't want to run high doses and burn yourself out because you will already be lethargic from reduced calories.

I have an upcoming cut and I will only be using very modest doses such as 200 test e, 200 mast e, 400 tren e and 100 var ed.

thanks for all the ideas and thoughts guys. Like I have said this is how we all learn and from that we are armed with more knowledge to help us find the problem to our solutions.

Got some oil heading my way soon so this is what I have come up with thoughts


mod dose of EQ with tren a mast a

I was thinking the EQ could run in the back ground and slowly bring quality to my muscles as the muscle mass comes back the tren a will help burn some fat and get the body primed for a more anabolic reaction and the mast can act as a replacement for the test as mast being a good androgen without any estrogen build up to combat.

in other words a cycle like this would appear very anabolic low estrogenic with androgenic support. I could also later add to this cycle some tbol/var tabs from mts to help enhance the effect. I just feel test when bf is an issue just makes me feel bloated and that bloated look is very motivating from a visual aspect.

BTW I do have 10ml of ugl tren e 200mg/ml that I though I might use with the EQ and when that is all gone switch over to tren a /mast a mix

I will still use hgh and clen and like Mr Big said I will add t3 @ 50mcg to the mix

Originally Posted by ironmaster

thanks for all the ideas and thoughts guys. Like I have said this is how we all learn and from that we are armed with more knowledge to help us find the problem to our solutions.

Got some oil heading my way soon so this is what I have come up with thoughts


mod dose of EQ with tren a mast a

I was thinking the EQ could run in the back ground and slowly bring quality to my muscles as the muscle mass comes back the tren a will help burn some fat and get the body primed for a more anabolic reaction and the mast can act as a replacement for the test as mast being a good androgen without any estrogen build up to combat.

in other words a cycle like this would appear very anabolic low estrogenic with androgenic support. I could also later add to this cycle some tbol/var tabs from mts to help enhance the effect. I just feel test when bf is an issue just makes me feel bloated and that bloated look is very motivating from a visual aspect.

BTW I do have 10ml of ugl tren e 200mg/ml that I though I might use with the EQ and when that is all gone switch over to tren a /mast a mix

I will still use hgh and clen and like Mr Big said I will add t3 @ 50mcg to the mix

Made an error always thought mast was the same as proviron but not so. mast is more anabolic and proviron a pure androgen. the only thing in commom is they are both DHT that said I still think the combo I have listed will work.

I have never used mast would like to here guys who have ran it what they think about the compound.

Well a week with no test but I feel no issues. I have my diet/training set for more fat loss and this week felt much better bloat has gone and can feel like I am doing better. this is my diet I will list it as 5 meals aday


1. Protein drink
Scoop of wpi flax oil scoop of frozen yoghurt 10 egg white
Or
3 egg omelet with 100g of turkey
2. 50g of cheese
3. Chicken /salad
4. 30g of nuts
5. Fish or beef with vegies


On Wednesday – Saturday –Sunday meal 5 is a carb load meal of about 150g of carbs
One of these carb load meals will be a cheat meal when I will eat what I want at this meal anything goes for I hour. But again I only do it on one given day of my load meal on the above set days.

Training I am doing whole body training mon-wed-fri I alternate between a circuit type day and a strength day cadio is tue-thur-sat 30mins on each day at a steady state

will do this program until I hit 15%bf and my oils should arrive within the next week so not long before I add some support to this program.

still on the hgh @ 2iued going into my third week. All I can say at this stage is my sleep is getting better and have notice my hands feel a little funny not puffy they just feel a little tight.

Originally Posted by ironmaster

Well a week with no test but I feel no issues. I have my diet/training set for more fat loss and this week felt much better bloat has gone and can feel like I am doing better. this is my diet I will list it as 5 meals aday


1. Protein drink
Scoop of wpi flax oil scoop of frozen yoghurt 10 egg white
Or
3 egg omelet with 100g of turkey
2. 50g of cheese
3. Chicken /salad
4. 30g of nuts
5. Fish or beef with vegies


On Wednesday – Saturday –Sunday meal 5 is a carb load meal of about 150g of carbs
One of these carb load meals will be a cheat meal when I will eat what I want at this meal anything goes for I hour. But again I only do it on one given day of my load meal on the above set days.

Training I am doing whole body training mon-wed-fri I alternate between a circuit type day and a strength day cadio is tue-thur-sat 30mins on each day at a steady state

will do this program until I hit 15%bf and my oils should arrive within the next week so not long before I add some support to this program.

still on the hgh @ 2iued going into my third week. All I can say at this stage is my sleep is getting better and have notice my hands feel a little funny not puffy they just feel a little tight.

Just a quick up date.
been on the following eating plan 10 days and working really well body is working much better and bodyfat is being used a lot better.

starting at 96.6kg aprox 25%bf weight is now down to 94.7kg will be adding back super supps soon.

ironmaster.

well 2 weeks with no gear and all is still good.
bloat has gone way down and have come in heaps around the waist (diet program is doing what it should)

still on the medtropin 2iued my oils should arrive this week so plan to get back on next week.

I will be taking Mr Big advice and run a low dose of test and high tren. although I feel 700mg/w of tren would be way too high at this stage. the most tren I have every ran in the past was 300mg/w and have used tren a in a cycle about 4 times so I do have some experience with this stuff.

I was thinking of running the following
MT200 0.5ml/ed
test 400 0.5ml/w

just run until I have some shape back or until I get sick of pinning ed but in fact hoping to do it for 8 weeks. Then switch to

test 400 0.5ml/w
EQ 500 1ml/w
Tbol/var mix 1 tab ed will only run orals for 6 weeks

after all that I should be back to a good level of performance and from hear just up the test and start building some more mass

plan on using EQ fulltime I let it do its job over time

so just running EQ and a good amount of test should be good for off season and then once I have a set date for a show I will just add tren to the mix about 16 weeks out and then when 10 weeks out I will just use all quick acting gear like orals and change my long acting test for test p


like I said going to be a big year for me in 2016. I am planning on going all the way and hope to not only compete at a national level but also qualify for an international event. With all my years of training plus I do have the genetics for it I feel at an international masters show I could do very well.
hoping for say NABBA masters Worlds or Universe

ironmaster

Originally Posted by ironmaster

well 2 weeks with no gear and all is still good.
bloat has gone way down and have come in heaps around the waist (diet program is doing what it should)

still on the medtropin 2iued my oils should arrive this week so plan to get back on next week.

I will be taking Mr Big advice and run a low dose of test and high tren. although I feel 700mg/w of tren would be way too high at this stage. the most tren I have every ran in the past was 300mg/w and have used tren a in a cycle about 4 times so I do have some experience with this stuff.

I was thinking of running the following
MT200 0.5ml/ed
test 400 0.5ml/w

just run until I have some shape back or until I get sick of pinning ed but in fact hoping to do it for 8 weeks. Then switch to

test 400 0.5ml/w
EQ 500 1ml/w
Tbol/var mix 1 tab ed will only run orals for 6 weeks

after all that I should be back to a good level of performance and from hear just up the test and start building some more mass

plan on using EQ fulltime I let it do its job over time

so just running EQ and a good amount of test should be good for off season and then once I have a set date for a show I will just add tren to the mix about 16 weeks out and then when 10 weeks out I will just use all quick acting gear like orals and change my long acting test for test p


like I said going to be a big year for me in 2016. I am planning on going all the way and hope to not only compete at a national level but also qualify for an international event. With all my years of training plus I do have the genetics for it I feel at an international masters show I could do very well.
hoping for say NABBA masters Worlds or Universe

ironmaster

Good choice on the doses keeping it manageable. If you do not fancy pinning ED you will be fine pinning EOD with ace/prop, people get way to technical with their pinning schedules some times. And regarding the equipoise, unless you are an extremely short human being 500mg/wk will not do much at all, most people choose to run it closer to 1g per week, and if you are an older person I would stay clear of it due to it raising rbc a fair bit compared to other hormones.

Originally Posted by ironmaster

well 2 weeks with no gear and all is still good.
bloat has gone way down and have come in heaps around the waist (diet program is doing what it should)

still on the medtropin 2iued my oils should arrive this week so plan to get back on next week.

I will be taking Mr Big advice and run a low dose of test and high tren. although I feel 700mg/w of tren would be way too high at this stage. the most tren I have every ran in the past was 300mg/w and have used tren a in a cycle about 4 times so I do have some experience with this stuff.

I was thinking of running the following
MT200 0.5ml/ed
test 400 0.5ml/w

just run until I have some shape back or until I get sick of pinning ed but in fact hoping to do it for 8 weeks. Then switch to

test 400 0.5ml/w
EQ 500 1ml/w
Tbol/var mix 1 tab ed will only run orals for 6 weeks

after all that I should be back to a good level of performance and from hear just up the test and start building some more mass

plan on using EQ fulltime I let it do its job over time

so just running EQ and a good amount of test should be good for off season and then once I have a set date for a show I will just add tren to the mix about 16 weeks out and then when 10 weeks out I will just use all quick acting gear like orals and change my long acting test for test p


like I said going to be a big year for me in 2016. I am planning on going all the way and hope to not only compete at a national level but also qualify for an international event. With all my years of training plus I do have the genetics for it I feel at an international masters show I could do very well.
hoping for say NABBA masters Worlds or Universe

ironmaster

Looking back this is what I should of done but I was too eager to put my size back on and just ended up a bigger physic with the same amount of fat.

So not all lost as I did gain most of my muscle back about half of it.

I am still 10kg of lean muscle from my best.

at my best in the off season I was 89kg with 6%bf and at my biggest 97kg @13%bf so I am aimmimg to get back to that.

As for now I will no longer post in this thread.

I will post progress in a new thread under cycles with the advise from MR BIG.

Just before I sign off I want to make it clear MTS products work as you can not complain with a 4-5kg gain of muscle in 12 weeks with no extra fat gain. this was also achived with an average diet. So just goes to show how good this stuff is.