I jab this this every week in sholders at 2.5mg 1500mg at once I never add no pain off it or any there gear my 2 5ml barrels full max what ever compound I'm use in normal loads different loads jabs off 2.5ml mall though my Bro cry at 1ml wimp no pain no gains don't get pain any way maybe my sholders just so solid bodybuilding all ways pain mule sore pump is pain go to feel can't go no more push through that shit different between doers and donters big man don't moan like women lol