Yes exactly this compound is soo versatile it can be used for everything. Like I said if you read my novel intro im leaning out waist getting tight but my shoulders are blowing up and my quads are changing fast. Im using this to cut now but when I was bulking end of last year I used trest deca and test and man I blew up sooo fast I mean like I had to stop because I was uncomfortable and cut down 15 pounds then work up slower so I could brush my teeth without my back craping up or being out of breath from walking up stairs to bed. This was 50mgs trest a day bulking and now cutting still 50mgsa day I really want to jump to 100mgs its not needed that high but wow I think things would be crazy LOL we will see what the future holds