Causes and Solutions to PIP problems

**BIGDADDY** · 03-17-2015, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by Serotonin101

The raw isn't "suspended" but is held in solution. A suspension is non dissolved particles that are visible and flowing freely in a liquid medium (think of a snow globe). A solution is solute (hormone powder) dissolved in a liquid which isn't visible to naked eye as the molecules of the solute fit between the molecules of the solvent (hormone dissolved in oil/bb/eo etc).
When it comes to a suspension, the powder inside isn't always homogeneous and can clump or just be floating more in a certain space of the liquid causing uneven distribution. When in a solution, such as our oil preparations, the distribution is homogeneous so there is equal parts of hormone in every bit of the oil. This means that the addition of sterile oil or any oil that isn't completely saturated (the oil can hold additional hormone, some use vet grade eq to dilute which is dosed 50mg/ml which is far from being at saturation point), the hormone(s) become equally distributed throughout the new solution. Thus for the example of 100mg/ml prop, the addition of sterile oil creates a new solution of 50mg/ml. If using another oil with hormones in it such as the vet grade eq, it would yield 50mg prop and 25mg eq per ml. Hope this helps explain the process a bit more.

excellent information

**Serotonin101** · 03-17-2015, 09:56 PM

And as always shake your suspensions very well! This will help break up any clumped crystals and should provide more accurate dosing.

Also, for those of you not using mts grade gear, if your gear is super saturated (the oil contains more hormone than its suppose to) then it can crash in colder climates. If your gear repeatedly crashes even after warming, swirling, etc. Then add sterile oil in a similar fashion as was discussed for reducing pip. This will dilute the solution allowing the hormone to go back into solution when heated and swirled. Gear that repeatedly crashes can cause significant pip as well due to the fact it can crash in your muscle tissue leaving hormone crystals that cause irritation.

Primo is notorious for pip due to the fact it's melting point is above body temp so it often crashes in muscle tissue.

Also push slow on plunger when injecting to minimize muscle tissue trauma from the pressure of the oil entering it. I've added multiple ml to a shot and just pushed it slow and had NO pip due to slower stretching of muscle fascia. This is how injecting seo is possible without crippling the user terribly but that's another topic...

**Chriss** · 03-30-2015, 08:28 PM

Mine is always fine now but the "injecting too quickly" was always a mistake i kept making

**minto** · 03-31-2015, 03:08 PM

Great post, found I got pip using sust fairly often.

**Serotonin101** · 04-01-2015, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by minto

Great post, found I got pip using sust fairly often.

Probably the fast acting prop that's in it. I'm not surprised

**Bucky** · 04-07-2015, 06:57 PM

"On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful"

can someone comment on this recipe listed in the initial post? what does the liquid aspirin do? and is the guaiacol the solvent responsible for some of the larger mg/ml blends we see on here? for example the 500mg/ml EQ?

**Serotonin101** · 04-08-2015, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bucky

"On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful"

can someone comment on this recipe listed in the initial post? what does the liquid aspirin do? and is the guaiacol the solvent responsible for some of the larger mg/ml blends we see on here? for example the 500mg/ml EQ?

Liquid aspirin should reduce swelling and inflammation and provide a local analgesic effect. Guiacol is responsible for some of the retarded high mg/ml you see in gear. Ethyl oleate holds hormones well too and is as thin if not more so than water providing the user to use a small gauge pin minimizing tissue trauma. Also higher dosed gear made well means less oil in the depot=faster absorption =less time the foreign item is spent in the body=less body response to "invaders". Without these super solvents, it'd be hard to get high dosed gear especially the "no ester" versions as lacking an ester makes them less soluble in fats (oil). The only issue I see with Guiacol is the nasty smell lol

**Bucky** · 04-08-2015, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Serotonin101

Liquid aspirin should reduce swelling and inflammation and provide a local analgesic effect. Guiacol is responsible for some of the retarded high mg/ml you see in gear. Ethyl oleate holds hormones well too and is as thin if not more so than water providing the user to use a small gauge pin minimizing tissue trauma. Also higher dosed gear made well means less oil in the depot=faster absorption =less time the foreign item is spent in the body=less body response to "invaders". Without these super solvents, it'd be hard to get high dosed gear especially the "no ester" versions as lacking an ester makes them less soluble in fats (oil). The only issue I see with Guiacol is the nasty smell lol

thanks for that explanation sir. as a younger guy, I can't afford strictly mts gear so this recipe could actually help me out with my cheaper option I have to use sometimes. I will agree though guaiacol smells absolutely terrible haha.

**tunechi** · 04-26-2015, 08:05 AM

Pinning it nice and slow is a v.good tip

**Serotonin101** · 04-26-2015, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by tunechi

Pinning it nice and slow is a v.good tip

Yep, just pinned 4.25ml last night super slow and no pip today. Might be a bit sore later I work a bit but I'll be fine that's for sure.

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