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Raloxifene is better than Nolva and less sides. Maybe add dhts as dht in the absence of estrogen causes breast cell apoptosis. This is the treatment of breast cancer. People have had decent results with nuked estro, serm and Masteron. Also since no aromatising compounds mast will keep you suppressed so no natural test to throw things off so no further ai needed. Just food for thought.
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Just to let everyone know if youre interested or wondered what happened I went to the doctors and took some blood tests and the doctor confirmed it was gyno. However I also saw a picture without my top off from a few years ago before I started bodybuilding and I have slight gyno there too which makes me think its mainly from puberty.
My bloods came back - my LH was pretty much 0 and my TSH was slightly above expected (4.2) and my testosterone levels were very high. My prolactin levels were 4 which the normal range is somewhat 45-375 mU/L which somewhat contributed to my depression. I drove it down using Dostinex thinking I had prolactng gyno. Estrodial was not shown on this test so fuck knows what it was.
Stayed off the steroids and my testosterone dropped - started getting acne, mad mood swings, depression, muscle loss, no energy, no libido, ed etc. I was also taking 20mg of Tamoxifen and 50mg Clomid - which did nothing really for my gyno. Neither did Letrozole.
Anyway - I got some HCG and did 1 shot 1500iu every 4 days three times. Sooner I was back to normal had sex drive again, stopped loosing weight and felt better and everything. Carried on with the Clomid and tamoxifen and had another test literally 3 weeks after the HCG. The effects of the HCG started wearing off and I lost my libido again but I was not depressed or anything at all like I was.
My testosterone levels where at 6 which they was previously at 34. A normal range is 8-27 nmol/L/. My depression has now gone, libido still low and my doctor said it will take time to get it back. My weight is now steady at 10.8 stone where as when I was on cycle I weighed 11.8, lost a good stone - maybe if I did the HCG sooner I would of kept more. Estrogen levels where at 57pmol/L which is a very low range. I still have gyno and will be seeing an endocrinologist next week as I believe it is still progressing. I am not suffering from really high estrogen but more of a hormone inbalance.
I have been off for around 3 months now. Going to see how I am in May then will start another cycle but this time a short cycle of 10 weeks instead of a year round cycle.
Going to try some HCGenerate for libido - heard some good stuff about it! Tbh I think the HCG has definently kick started my HPTA back up to a low level - and this will improve in time.
Basicly - I think my gyno was flared up by high levels of estrogen.
Last edited by h0rsey; 01-29-2016 at 08:24 PM.
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