I have used Subutramine... imho it's a fail drug...

You will loose appetite but not like on high Clen or ECA, you will be something like not interested on food... but as soon as you touch it you will binge.

So maybe for OBESE UNDISCIPLINED people it works, but for a gymrat is like water.... better to stay on ECA or CLEN.

About CLEN, i don't have that big appetite suppression....

Something that worked for me was:
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Hunger occurs via several Physiological pathways and is largely subjective across all studied subjects. This blend of fibers addresses the physical response from the stomach as well as modulating the insulin/glucose response to a meal, thus reducing the feeling of hunger.


Hunger Suppression Blend:
 - 1/2 tbsp Apple Pectin Powder
 - 1/2 tbsp Psyllium Husk Powder
 - 1/4 tbsp Guar Gum Powder


Consume the above with 3-500ml water either prior to meals to reduce hunger and subsequent caloric intake or in conjunction with food to reduce the insulin response and extend the satiety effect of feeding.



Products:
Examples only. I've posted Amazon links simply so fellas can find the items, there are cheaper/larger packs available elsewhere depending on your location.

http://www.amazon.com/Solgar-Apple-P...+pectin+powder

http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Psyl...um+husk+powder

http://www.amazon.com/NOW-Foods-Guar...uar+gum+powder