Comeback 2016

well 2 weeks with no gear and all is still good.
bloat has gone way down and have come in heaps around the waist (diet program is doing what it should)

still on the medtropin 2iued my oils should arrive this week so plan to get back on next week.

I will be taking Mr Big advice and run a low dose of test and high tren. although I feel 700mg/w of tren would be way too high at this stage. the most tren I have every ran in the past was 300mg/w and have used tren a in a cycle about 4 times so I do have some experience with this stuff.

I was thinking of running the following
MT200 0.5ml/ed
test 400 0.5ml/w

just run until I have some shape back or until I get sick of pinning ed but in fact hoping to do it for 8 weeks. Then switch to

test 400 0.5ml/w
EQ 500 1ml/w
Tbol/var mix 1 tab ed will only run orals for 6 weeks

after all that I should be back to a good level of performance and from hear just up the test and start building some more mass

plan on using EQ fulltime I let it do its job over time

so just running EQ and a good amount of test should be good for off season and then once I have a set date for a show I will just add tren to the mix about 16 weeks out and then when 10 weeks out I will just use all quick acting gear like orals and change my long acting test for test p


like I said going to be a big year for me in 2016. I am planning on going all the way and hope to not only compete at a national level but also qualify for an international event. With all my years of training plus I do have the genetics for it I feel at an international masters show I could do very well.
hoping for say NABBA masters Worlds or Universe

ironmaster

As soon as you mentioned, NABBA universe... this guy came to mind.... he's awesome.

ironmaster wrote:well 2 weeks with no gear and all is still good.
bloat has gone way down and have come in heaps around the waist (diet program is doing what it should)

still on the medtropin 2iued my oils should arrive this week so plan to get back on next week.

I will be taking Mr Big advice and run a low dose of test and high tren. although I feel 700mg/w of tren would be way too high at this stage. the most tren I have every ran in the past was 300mg/w and have used tren a in a cycle about 4 times so I do have some experience with this stuff.

I was thinking of running the following
MT200 0.5ml/ed
test 400 0.5ml/w

just run until I have some shape back or until I get sick of pinning ed but in fact hoping to do it for 8 weeks. Then switch to

test 400 0.5ml/w
EQ 500 1ml/w
Tbol/var mix 1 tab ed will only run orals for 6 weeks

after all that I should be back to a good level of performance and from hear just up the test and start building some more mass

plan on using EQ fulltime I let it do its job over time

so just running EQ and a good amount of test should be good for off season and then once I have a set date for a show I will just add tren to the mix about 16 weeks out and then when 10 weeks out I will just use all quick acting gear like orals and change my long acting test for test p


like I said going to be a big year for me in 2016. I am planning on going all the way and hope to not only compete at a national level but also qualify for an international event. With all my years of training plus I do have the genetics for it I feel at an international masters show I could do very well.
hoping for say NABBA masters Worlds or Universe

ironmaster

Good choice on the doses keeping it manageable. If you do not fancy pinning ED you will be fine pinning EOD with ace/prop, people get way to technical with their pinning schedules some times. And regarding the equipoise, unless you are an extremely short human being 500mg/wk will not do much at all, most people choose to run it closer to 1g per week, and if you are an older person I would stay clear of it due to it raising rbc a fair bit compared to other hormones.

MR BIG wrote:As soon as you mentioned, NABBA universe... this guy came to mind.... he's awesome.

Yes mate this young bloke is a beast really like his physic. He was a some stage help by the one and only LEE PRIEST for one of his shows.

Well all set up and ready to get started.

To keep you all up to date I pulled the pin about 3 weeks ago after 4 weeks into my cycle as I did not take into account of how far out of shape I really was. plain and simple just too much BF.

Now here we are 3 weeks down the track. Diet is better BF dropping and over all things are now set up better.
been using hgh and into my 4th week and must say feeling the effects of better sleep and wake up fresh so this will only improve the long I stay on. just using 2iued for health and after this week will do 2iu 5on 2off

So cycle wise I have looked at what I have and have come up with what I feel will be best. Like I have said I want to be straight up and give honest accounts so I will also include the brands of gear I am using.

Now I want to use MTS exclusively but I still have old gear I would like to use up also so I will list what I am taking and brand so their is no confusion.

Here is my next 8 weeks laid out starting 20/07/2015


Day 1 (Monday)

front load Tren E (Max Pro) 400mg
front load EQ (MTS) 1000mg
sus 250 (British Knight)250mg

Then will run the rest of cycle like this

Will inject on these days Thursday & Monday after the front loads
EQ 250mg
Tren E 100mg

Then 0.5ml of sus 250 every Sunday after day 1 load

reason for the cycle over the next 8 weeks is mod blood levels of anabolic's whilst focus is on losing fat and bringing muscle mass back up to optimal level.
Low dose of test every 7 days to help support HRT levels and keep bloat to a minimum.

Also low does of hgh as stated above for health and cycle clen in and out over the next 8 weeks

after this 8 weeks it will then be game on. Main change will be to introduce more test and add to it going for around 1000-1500mg/w of gear in total.

Ok let the party begin!

looks like a solid plan mate, can't wait to see how it goes for you. kill it son!!!

grotereber wrote:looks like a solid plan mate, can't wait to see how it goes for you. kill it son!!!

Thanks for the support.

I will post photos after 8 weeks as well as a starting pic so all the guys can see the progress. No need to post pics now as already know I am out of shape but on the positive I am heading the right way now.

I have a twin brother who also trains and has competed from a young age and into his early thirties. I got him thinking about training for a show once again about 6 months ago and he is looking pretty good heading into beast mode. So this has given me some motivation to now do the same.

I will keep you all posted on progress. BTW I never have used roid calculator before so with the above cycle plan the idea was to have the blood levels at around 100mged hence the front load. I feel 100mg of circulation hormones is the sweet spot for what I need without too many sides to contend with. I think once levels go higher then this AI is a must and high estrogen is not what I want to be contending with at this stage.

So with using a little thought plus my own knowledge of gear I have got this one nailed.

keep you all posted.

Front load done 20/07/2015

Day 1 (Monday)

front load Tren E (Max Pro) 400mg
front load EQ (MTS) 1000mg
sus 250 (British Knight)250mg

I will increase cardio to 5 days a week for 30mins now that I have gear in me wont be as catabolic doing max cardio.
My training is still 3 days per week but now doing a split rountie

Chest Delts Arms

Back legs

Let the fun being

ironmaster wrote:Front load done 20/07/2015

Day 1 (Monday)

front load Tren E (Max Pro) 400mg
front load EQ (MTS) 1000mg
sus 250 (British Knight)250mg

I will increase cardio to 5 days a week for 30mins now that I have gear in me wont be as catabolic doing max cardio.
My training is still 3 days per week but now doing a split rountie

Chest Delts Arms

Back legs

Let the fun being

Few years back a guy in my gym sold me MAX-PRO TREN something... perfect packaging. said it was made in germany blah blah.... or whatever it said.... and then I did a labmax test and boom.... had NO steroid in it at all. nada. Just brown peanut oil.

MR BIG wrote:Few years back a guy in my gym sold me MAX-PRO TREN something... perfect packaging. said it was made in germany blah blah.... or whatever it said.... and then I did a labmax test and boom.... had NO steroid in it at all. nada. Just brown peanut oil.

Yes I have heard bad reviews on MAX-PRO also. But I can trace mine back to the O/Seas lab it came from so all good. I have had it for about 2 years so I just want to use it to get it used. Plus I knew a mate of mine that used it and his results solid on this product.

trust me I will know if it is real soon enough being tren e should hit its straps around 10days or so. Good thing is I have MT 200 on stand by if need to replace it. The plan is to uses the tren e up over next 6 weeks then go to MT 200 after that. Once the transition has been made I will be running MTS product exclusively.

But once again I hear what you are saying a lot if not all MAX-PRO at Least here in OZ would be fake. There is a local site here promoting MAX-PRO and they send it via domestic post so no going through customs. They are way over priced seems to me they just more interested in taking peoples money.

just a quick review

made some adjustments

will stay with the Monday Thursday pins but will increase the sus 250 to 1ml per week as I feel this would be a better dose for hrt to support the cycle. Must say I feel much better with lower test whilst my bf is high.

As Mr Big said MAX-PRO can be a liitle hit and miss but no probs with what I have as the tren effect hit me coulple of nights ago if you know what I mean. So this product is gtg as I knew it was.

So after the front load I will just keep with the following

Monday and Thursday
take 0.5ml EQ 0.5ml Tren E 0.5ml Sus250 all in the same pin

training 3 days per week 5 30min cardio per week

diet will now be carb rotations 3 low 1 high on low days will also be in a calorie defect

report back in a month and let all you guys know how I am progressing.

well done mate nothing can hold you back for 2016!

Diary of a beast wrote:well done mate nothing can hold you back for 2016!

Thanks mate!

how is your training tracking along?

well had enough of low carb and now time to slowly reintroduce them back into diet. plus the cycle is now picking up pace so the aim now is to slowly bring food back up while leaning out. in other words loose fat gain muscle. Low carb phase has worked and it has rest my body. ie has become less insulin resistant. so the diet at this stage now is as follows

meal 1 (supps 4 fish oil- 5g glutamine- vit c- multi)
50g oats
banana
7 whites 1 egg made as pancakes with a little honey

meal 2
Met-Rx MRP

meal 3 (supps 4 fish oil- vit e- vit c)
150g cooked chicken tenders
1 cup cooked rice(white)

meal 4
1 scoop WPI in water
30g nuts

meal 5 (supps 4 fish oil- magnesium/vitD)
200g of fatty meat eg beef salmon pork
large serve of veg no starch

meal 6 (supps 5g glutamine ZMA)
1 scoop WPI in water
20ml flax oil

above is roughly
cals 2000
pro 200g
carbs 150g
fats 60g

training is between meals 2/3
pre training
1 scoop extend and then 1 scoop mixed in training water and drunk during training

I will follow this plan for a solid month and re-feed as I feel by add 150g of extra crabs to this meal plan. At this stage thinking of doing the re-feeds every other training day. On the re-feed I will have the bulk of the carbs in the post workout meals say meal 3 to 6

All in all I have my head around it and enjoying the return to becoming a competitive bb again.

ironmaster

ironmaster wrote:well had enough of low carb and now time to slowly reintroduce them back into diet. plus the cycle is now picking up pace so the aim now is to slowly bring food back up while leaning out. in other words loose fat gain muscle. Low carb phase has worked and it has rest my body. ie has become less insulin resistant. so the diet at this stage now is as follows

meal 1 (supps 4 fish oil- 5g glutamine- vit c- multi)
50g oats
banana
7 whites 1 egg made as pancakes with a little honey

meal 2
Met-Rx MRP

meal 3 (supps 4 fish oil- vit e- vit c)
150g cooked chicken tenders
1 cup cooked rice(white)

meal 4
1 scoop WPI in water
30g nuts

meal 5 (supps 4 fish oil- magnesium/vitD)
200g of fatty meat eg beef salmon pork
large serve of veg no starch

meal 6 (supps 5g glutamine ZMA)
1 scoop WPI in water
20ml flax oil

above is roughly
cals 2000
pro 200g
carbs 150g
fats 60g

training is between meals 2/3
pre training
1 scoop extend and then 1 scoop mixed in training water and drunk during training

I will follow this plan for a solid month and re-feed as I feel by add 150g of extra crabs to this meal plan. At this stage thinking of doing the re-feeds every other training day. On the re-feed I will have the bulk of the carbs in the post workout meals say meal 3 to 6

All in all I have my head around it and enjoying the return to becoming a competitive bb again.

ironmaster

That's a lot of fish oil, are you counting it in your macros?

Also I noticed you are using a lot of supplements in place of whole food, supplements are not good for your body at all never mind being inferior to whole foods. You should always target whole foods and leave supplements only for circumstances where you can't have wholefoods for whatever reason.

How much weight have you cut so far?

So far so Good thanks

bw is at the 90 kg mark at the moment

noticed my muscles getting thicker and more dense

still fairly lean after ramping up my carbs and overall food

eating quality nutritious meals at the moment so I don't have to rely on bird seed when it's time to drop down for comp

I added a few pictures to my first thread in the newbie forum when you have a minute take a look comment, abuse it doesn't matter :P

I have a planned holiday soon so just sticking to what I'm on now gear wise and when I get back it will be time add another compound to the mix. tempted by tren but wary of the side due to me working the corporate world and having to deal with corporate idiots with huge guts haha

brimmy wrote:That's a lot of fish oil, are you counting it in your macros?

Also I noticed you are using a lot of supplements in place of whole food, supplements are not good for your body at all never mind being inferior to whole foods. You should always target whole foods and leave supplements only for circumstances where you can't have wholefoods for whatever reason.

How much weight have you cut so far?

12g of fish oil is not a lot. calorie was maybe about 120cal in total so not a real issue. plus most guys do not get the most out of this supplement because they dose too low. 6-12 1000mg tabs per day is what I find is best.

I agree on whole food being better but the lod standard of 3 meals and 3 shakes is a good point to start. When I start to feel more hungrier I will replace with food.

lost around 3kg so heading in right direction.

Ok two weeks down and feel much better with lower test so will continue with it for now. Plus going to up my tren e to 400mg/wk as sides from tren are only mild at this stage. Mr big was saying low test with 700mg tren way to go but I just wanted to start low and go up from there. So with no real dramas I will move up to 400mg.

I will change my doing schedule now more out of easy as work is a bit busy now. 12hr shifts and early starts so as of the third week I will run like this

Monday
1ml sus 250 for hrt
200mg tren e

Thursday
500mg eq
200mg tren e

I am still running hgh @ 2iu/ed but have been running it for 3 days take a day off and then take 4iu then repeat plan to do this a couple of times a week. also as I go I may do 1on 1off and run 4iu/eod so to speak.

must say I am really happy with medtropin as I have had low back issues since 2010 and through therapy work it has come better but still the pain would come and go. now with the last 6weeks on this product my low back is feeling better then ever so I can only put it down to the hgh healing up my back. even at a low dose of 2iu. So yes I am happy like a pig in shit. My confidence is building and my dream of getting back to the stage is getting more a reality.

Well with my comeback in mind I am just letting everything unfold as I go along.

Made some adjustments to training. I found the cardio was interfering with my ability to put old muscle back on. I have stopped all cardio and almost got an instant result. Muscles a lot fuller and all my old muscle mass is piling back on. This has also had a roll on effect in body comp for the better. Upper body is getting wider and thicker and legs are filling out nicely. Waist is getting smaller and love handles shrinking away.

So main focous is gaining back old mass which we all know muscle burns more calories so no need for high amounts of cardio. Been more concerned with getting in more solid meals now and making sure I get a min 200g protein aday and add good carbs and fats to meals as needed depending on what I am doing for the day. It has been a good week.

I have also been reading a lot about intra-workout sup and must say I like it much on what I would do in the past like having my carb drink post workout. That always made me fat unless I was already very lean then it did not matter. But now I truly believe taking carbs pre and during is much more effective for building and burning fat. This has been my protocol this week with great results so I will stay with it.

Here are the rules

min 200g protein per day
90 mins pre-workout
oats fruit and egg whites

pre-workout drink mixed in 1500ml of water (I drink 500ml prior to workout and sip the rest during workout)
20g BCAA
10g Creatine
5g glutamine
50g carbs

post workout
30g WPI

60-90 min post workout
large protein/carb meal

the rest of my meals I just eat as I feel and been doing just fine. On non training I wake up have my carb drink and 90 mins later follow up with a full breakfast and after that I just eat as I feel to keep body full and hard. So far so good.

Cycle wise

250mg test wk
400mg tren e wk
500mg eq wk

hgh 2iu ed and I just added 40mcg t3

I really think priming body pre during and after is the secret to gains and as long as you have this covered you can just play around with the other meals as you feel.

ironmaster

Well 5 weeks in and it is all coming to gather minus the fact I have been slack with diet. I think most of it is just mass coming back that I have previous had from 20+ years of training.

I hit a high of 98kg and my body comp is improving just with the fact I am add back muscle. Been on Tren e last 5 weeks and must say a little over it. fell run down on it so as of next week I will drop the stuff. EQ max is starting to hit my system now and don't know if I will bump it up to 1000mg as Big Daddy has posted that the jump from 500mg-1000mg is a good bet. The lower dose of hrt with sus 250 worked well but I feel if I am now going to drop out the Tren e I will now up the test in place of it. So now the plan from now looks like this.

week 6 no wards
MTS test 400 2ml/wk
MTS EQ max 500 1ml/wk

like I said my take EQ to 2ml but will see how I go over the next 4 weeks as I am starting to see good results on the EQ with a 500mg dose ie god pumps fuller traps and shoulders

Had to have about 10 days off from hgh as my new order was held up. should get it next week and will just stay with the 2iu/ed for health reasons. At this dose over the last 7 weeks I have been very pleased with it on its ability to heal up some old injuries.

I plan on running this blast for around 4 months which should take me to end of year. Then curies for a bit before I plan out my attack on which show I will aim for in 2016.

On a side note as of next week I will be on MTS products only so interesting to see how it goes. But deep down I know these products are top notch and thank MTS for the service they provide to all of us.

will up date soon.

ironmaster