PCT advise

Hi guys! I am a first timer and going to run T-bol/Anavar 50mg/50mg a day, but I'm not sure about PCT. Do I need one afterwards? As far as I know them oral short life ones on low dosage won't shut my natural testosterone. Would I be ok to go on just normal tribulus afterwards or I better off a proper PCT? What would you suggest please?

all steroids shut you down eventually. if you are going to pct do it proper

People just say they won't shut you down, so people who are scared to use injectables will still buy their orals

I am pretty sure that they/those shut you down, but not 100% positive as I have only ever run orals with test. But just to be safe, do a proper PCT, tamoxifen is not expensive. Btw, any specific reason for oral only, aside from injections?

ramaxa wrote:Hi guys! I am a first timer and going to run T-bol/Anavar 50mg/50mg a day, but I'm not sure about PCT. Do I need one afterwards? As far as I know them oral short life ones on low dosage won't shut my natural testosterone. Would I be ok to go on just normal tribulus afterwards or I better off a proper PCT? What would you suggest please?

I would do it, just in case. Doesn't hurt your gains.

TRIBULUS... that's garbage.

CLOMID + NOLVADEX PCT... that's how I would do it.

hcg and triptorelin is also good stuff

I hate clomid, if I were to ever do a PCT (never have come off since I started AAS) I would just run nolva for 2 weeks to get my natural test back up.

all nolva does is inhibit estrogen from binding to the receptors. I don't see how it will do anything to get your test levels back up

flexer wrote:all nolva does is inhibit estrogen from binding to the receptors. I don't see how it will do anything to get your test levels back up

It stimulates lh and fsh I believe

ok I see. I still consider it an outdated form of pct

flexer wrote:ok I see. I still consider it an outdated form of pct

"The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/640052

jrsandwich wrote:I am pretty sure that they/those shut you down, but not 100% positive as I have only ever run orals with test. But just to be safe, do a proper PCT, tamoxifen is not expensive. Btw, any specific reason for oral only, aside from injections?

Yeah, you are right. Aside from injections. Been 'organic' so far, but fed up to see you big guys down the gym. I might try injections one day

MR BIG wrote:I would do it, just in case. Doesn't hurt your gains.

TRIBULUS... that's garbage.

CLOMID + NOLVADEX PCT... that's how I would do it.

How much of those do I need and for how long?

standard

Clomid 100,100,50,50
nolva 20,20,20,20

Most common... but start it at the right time based on half life.

PCT is a myth, especially it is foolish if you're above 30. 30 years old onwards, test levels in men are decreasing. So it makes more sense to be on T for life.

Would there be a chance of estrogen rebound after stopping the the nolva pct seeing as the estrogen was being suppressed for four weeks and if so what is done about this?