Mate wants an oral only run because he refuses to pin, is there any version of this that is not a waste?

5 posts · started by TEXMEX · Jun 29, 2026

👤
TEXMEX
Member
Posts: 359
Joined: May 2017
Rep: 10
👤
TEXMEX
359 posts · joined May 2017
#1
Got a mate who wants to run something to add a bit of size but flat out refuses to pin, proper needle phobia, wont even consider a delt shot. Hes asking me if theres any oral only run thats actually worth doing or if its all just a waste of liver. My gut says without a test base hes going to end up shut down and flat with not much to show for it, but i told him id ask here before giving him an answer. Is there any version of oral only that isnt pointless, or do i just keep telling him to get over the needle thing and pin properly?
👤
Beantown Rick
Posts: 583
Joined: Jun 2016
Rep: 10
👤
Beantown Rick
583 posts · joined Jun 2016
#2
The needle thing is the actual problem to solve here, not work around. Tell your mate a 25g pin in the delt is basically nothing, most guys are over it after one or two jabs and then the whole oral only debate just disappears. If he genuinely wont budge then the least bad version is something mild like var or tbol at a sensible dose for a short 4 to 6 week run with tudca and bloods, but be straight with him that with no test base hes going to feel flat, low libido and lethargic, and a lot of what he gains walks off when he stops. And he still needs a proper clomid and nolva pct after even though its only orals, shutdown is shutdown.
BIGDADDY
MTS STAFF - formally MR BIG
Posts: 2,555
Joined: Jan 2015
Rep: 37
BIGDADDY
2,555 posts · joined Jan 2015
#3
Test is the base of everything. Oral only means no test base, so he ends up shut down with nothing to run on, flat libido and poor gains that mostly leave when he stops. Tell him to sort the needle thing out, a 25g pin in the delt is nothing once you have done it once. Fix the problem instead of working around it.
MTS Support https://support.med-tech.pro
👤
emperorcaliano
Senior Member
Posts: 808
Joined: Sep 2016
Rep: 66
👤
emperorcaliano
808 posts · joined Sep 2016
#4
Like I say all the time to people who want to “oral cycle only”, just don’t cycle at all !!

Only non injectable alternatives:
-androgel: (test transdermal), if he wants to dose it as a proper cycle, it’s going to cost him A LOT, and the bioavailability in the body is extremely variable

-methyl testosterone: testosterone in tablets, harsh in the liver, so short cycle, gains not really maintained, not mentioning all the side effects if wants to run a proper dose for a cycle

-test undecanoate in caps (it does exist): same thing as methyl testosterone

-dianabol: only oral that can potentially replace test as “base”, but same thing as the two mentioned above. And at higher dosage he will only hold water

My best advice, he should run at least test, or simply don’t run ANYTHING
👤
VancouverRep
Posts: 79
Joined: Nov 2020
Rep: 10
👤
VancouverRep
79 posts · joined Nov 2020
#5
You are both right, oral only is mostly a waste. If he flat refuses to pin then anavar at 50 to 60mg for 6 weeks is the least bad option, mild on the liver as orals go and it gives a bit of strength and a recomp look. But be straight with him, it will still shut him down for not much return and he needs a serm after. Androgel is a joke for building, the dose you would need to actually grow is absurd. Honestly if he wont pin he is better off just running his diet and training hard, no oral is worth trashing your lipids for that little.
Reply

📦 Move Thread

✂️ Split Thread Here

This post and all following posts will become a new thread.