Quote Originally Posted by MR BIG View Post
I know people will say no... don't use it, lose the fat through diet and cardio first blah blah. I did it. Of course it will be more difficult to cope, but it's sure going to get results. My theory is that if something takes a long time to achieve results... say you are trying to go from 25% to 15% before you start your hormones... as you get closer to that target, your general motivation levels and interests levels fade away, because the results are not obvious or "instant" enough for you to keep caring. You don't feel the urge to achieve that goal. A little cheat here and there... and your progress stalls and you lose more motivation and you end up in a situation where you didn't even start your hormones and moved onto something else like beer.

I would honestly do low dose test + high tren. I've seen transformations in front of my eyes with guys doing virtually no cardio and losing slabs of fat on a weekly basis. But of course they had high muscle mass and metabolic rate etc.
If you are going to be leaning down for a long time pick tren e so you don't have to jab yourself ED/EOD, take it nice and cruisy and tren is very potent don't forget, you don't want to run high doses and burn yourself out because you will already be lethargic from reduced calories.

I have an upcoming cut and I will only be using very modest doses such as 200 test e, 200 mast e, 400 tren e and 100 var ed.